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USA Today alleges that 3 major phone companies turned over the records of ten millions of their customers to the NSA after 9/11.

BellSouth, AT&T and Verizon Communications turned over billions of call logs to the NSA. The information is said to have been stored in a massive database.

Last week I reported that the EFF was suing AT&T over their willingness to share private information with the NSA. It now turns out, this was just the tip of the iceberg.

President Bush said yesterday in an effort to downplay the scandal, “The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities.”

“We’re not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans. Our efforts are focused on links to al-Qaeda and their known affiliates. So far we’ve been very successful in preventing another attack on our soil.”

According to Gen. Michael Hayden, everything that the NSA does is lawful and the appropriate members of the Congress are briefed on all NSA activities.

Both Republican and Democratic legislators have reacted with dismay and disbelieve. Some have called for an investigation into the matter.

A few weeks ago, when the Feds sought to dismiss the case against AT&T, the Justice Department said that it should not be taken as a confirmation or denial of the allegations.

We now seem to have the confirmation.

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murderous18 : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

murderous18

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1292 days 13 hours ago...

i think 1984 utopian society is in the next 100 years.

"So far we’ve been very successful in preventing another attack on our soil.”

and wheres the credibility in that?

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/1
2047/9_11_Staged_by_USA_Evidence

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1292 days 13 hours ago...

Obviously the credibility is the fact that it is the truth. They have broken up several terrorist cells in New York and California. Do you honestly think that we have not been hit again because the terrorists dont feel like it?

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

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1292 days 13 hours ago...

Oh, never mind, I see by your link that you are one of the idiots that believes everything that they see in the indie media.

qtnik : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

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1292 days 9 hours ago...

ah, so different from an idiot who believes everything the president and the mainstream media tells him, right johhny...

Oh well, we can't all be as trusting of the good will of the government as you are... Even the founding fathers weren't...

SolidWaterAlchemist : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

SolidWaterAlchemist

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1292 days 5 hours ago...

Everyday since 9/11 I've had the exact same cup of coffee on my way to work and there hasn't been a terrorist attack on US soil since. Lets just hope that Starbucks never goes out of business.

Baelzar : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

Baelzar

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1292 days 3 hours ago...

This was made possible by a law passed in 1994 under.....the Clinton administration, and a Democratically controlled Congress. Every one of the major Congressional detractors voted FOR the law.

NOW the Dems are surprised that the law they passed is in effect?

Bullshit. Pure political play.

Acer_Vartan : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

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1291 days 23 hours ago...

Good point, doesnt matter, when people start getting arrested for being a "terrorist" becasue of a error or because Alqueda dial their number by accident then maybe they will realise the price of security shouldnt our freedom and privacy. The sad fact here is that if you are not Arab/Muslim you are probably fine, for now.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

1 votes NegativePositive

1291 days 22 hours ago...

The information that the government is collecting has been availible for years on the internet. Same thing with the internet search records. I do not think that they have the resources to listen in on even a small % of calls, so what I suspect they're doing is running the numbers through some fancy algorithm that only a math major would understand.

I'm pretty sure that they are not after petty pot pushers or dudes cheating on their girlfriends. We had several terrorist attacks in the 1990s, and have not had one since the anthrax scare after 9/11. I'm pretty sure that the governments efforts have had more effect than your cup of Starbucks, but keep drinking your Starbucks anyhow.

assmaster : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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1291 days 21 hours ago...

johnnyb - you are a tool. If that info that is being talked about is on the internet - give us the link. If you can't provide the places on the interenet where I can look up the phone records of millions of americans you can suck a donkey's balls.

The whole point of them collecting all the call logs is not to hear what is being said in the conversations. They don't even need that data. The calls themselves tell them more than they need to know. Most registered voters have stated their party affiliation. So all they have to do is trace patterns of who registered voters talk to. In the future when the media gets more into targeted advertising and story telling - they can specifically keep info from the people they don't want to have it. Then they can feed just the info they want to and try and alter people's perceptions of specific events.

That's just one simple thing they can do w/ the info they now have to mine through.

PyroLee - glad I get under your skin! If I bother everyone, why have I not had one comment burried yet? PS - way to stay on topic...

PyroLee : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

PyroLee

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1291 days 17 hours ago...

^
Assmaster, go away. You bother people.

Personally, I don't like it. They could be listening in for shit like "I hate Bush" or "Kill Bush" and throwing people in jail for that for all we know. One good thing to note though, public outrage is getting stronger the more this is circulated, and pretty soon we might just have an impeachment. Let's see....

The war, gas prices, eavesdropping, Bush inviting all his buddies to come play "King of the world" with him....Yeah, I think we're a bit overdue for a freakin' riot here. I'm suprised that more people aren't doing the whole protesting thing. I took a beanbag to the chest a couple of weeks ago...not fun. My last protest was only a couple hundred people...we need more people in America to rise up against this deuche.

Oh, and fuck Starbucks. It's a conformist, greedy, multibillion dollar corporation that is getting rich off of low wages, and shitty, overpriced coffee.

These_colors_dont_run : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

These_colors_dont_run

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1291 days 13 hours ago...

^true

kanadian chick is a fat whore

SolidWaterAlchemist : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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1291 days 11 hours ago...

My point with the coffee was this, are post 9/11 governement policies really making a difference? Making a causal relationship between these policies and the lack of terrorist attacks since may not be accurate. A negative result can not be definatively proven. What has happened is that people are now more aware of potential attacks. So, could previous intelligence collection function today with our new awareness of terrorism?

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

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1291 days 8 hours ago...

@assmaster

www.abika.com/Reports/TracePhon
eCalls.htm - 33k -

This is just one of many firms that sell phone call records. How do you think that google targets advertisements? It sells your search records to potential advertisers. Now you go do your homework and shut the fuck up.

assmaster : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

assmaster

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1291 days 8 hours ago...

again haha - you lost the point of collecting millions of records. Those groups that sell that info obtain it illegally and they obtain records one at a time. If the gov't used that method - it would take them 2000 years to get the info they got in a matter of days by going directly to the phone companies.

Yes you are right, people can get other peoples phone records. But they can't go and get 10 million phone records all at once.

Here's an article for you. Go down the article about 5 paragraphs, you can see the methods they use to get those records. It's a very dialup method of retrieval. The gov't used an OC-48 connection method to get the data.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/
cst-nws-privacy05.html

PS - sorry for being too much of an ass to start. I don't really need to be that much of a jerk to get a point across.

PyroLee sniffs his own farts.

murderous18 : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

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1291 days 3 hours ago...

The information that the government is collecting has been availible for years on the internet. Same thing with the internet search records. I do not think that they have the resources to listen in on even a small % of calls, so what I suspect they're doing is running the numbers through some fancy algorithm that only a math major would understand.

johnny your wheres your fucking proof? i showed you a link to a video that makes more sense then anything ive ever heard. and if your that big of a fucking moron to believe the lies that leak out of the presidential cabinets mouth everytime they fucking open it?

ah, so different from an idiot who believes everything the president and the mainstream media tells him, right johhny...

as qtnik said "Oh well, we can't all be as trusting of the good will of the government as you are... Even the founding fathers weren't... "

this pretty mutch sums you up johnny your foot in your mouth so stfu

SEAL_T5 : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

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1291 days 2 hours ago...

murderous18~"I do not think that they have the resources to listen in on even a small % of calls, so what I suspect they're doing is running the numbers through some fancy algorithm that only a math major would understand"

NSA has had the capability to listen to the nations phone calls for years…..cell phones make it even easier. It’s simple actually…..you have a “program” that listens for key words or phrases…or looks for certain numbers…once it hits that call is flagged. Once a call is flagged it is analyzed by a annalist to see if it has any intelligence value. I mean I don’t see were the issue is here…..no one is going to be listening to you talk about everyday random shit…no one cares. I mean shit…I’ve been to London and you can’t walk down any street without being video taped by 15 cameras…..these things happen in every country.

murderous18 : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

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1291 days 1 hour ago...

i agree with the fact they have not enough man power, thus they create a systems. but "The information that the government is collecting has been availible for years on the internet." and they claim they have been using it to prevent terrorist event cannot be. If this was the truth then how the fuck did septemper 11th happen if we have information so readily available on the phones and internet. thus i linked a video which i felt was the closest reason why it happend.

Seal_T5 you say that the NSA has been able to listen to phone calls? they must have flagged the calls that the terrorist made to each other especially if our gov knew the whole time?
"Contrary to these prolific claims, there is compelling evidence that the U.S. intelligence community had extensive forewarning of the 11th September attacks on New York and Washington. Further evidence suggests that the attacks may, in fact, have been in the interest of certain elements of the Bush administration''
http://www.mediamonitors.ne
t/mosaddeq36.html

If johnnys quote was true, then 9/11 must have not happend like the holocaust
"I do not think that they have the resources to listen in on even a small % of calls, so what I suspect they're doing is running the numbers through some fancy algorithm that only a math major would understand"

"Contrary to these prolific claims, there is compelling evidence that the U.S. intelligence community had extensive forewarning of the 11th September attacks on New York and Washington. Further evidence suggests that the attacks may, in fact, have been in the interest of certain elements of the Bush administration''
http://www.mediamonitors.ne
t/mosaddeq36.html

honestly if they claim they are preventing terrorist acts, im sure you can relate to me when i say that it is hard to believe that they prevent as much as they claim. this gov is full of shit. i dioubt they are listening to my lady tell me how good i fucked her last night, but i really doubt they passed the patriot act just for wire tapping.

PyroLee : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

PyroLee

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1290 days 20 hours ago...

Assmaster fingers his asshole because he can't spank his needledick.

assmaster : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

assmaster

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1290 days 18 hours ago...

that's your moms job.

AnnCoulter69 : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

AnnCoulter69

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1290 days 15 hours ago...

I think that the real issue here is finding the leak in the NSA. Whoever is leaking national security secrets like this should be executed for treason.

murderous18 : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

murderous18

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1290 days 14 hours ago...

lets call IMT to get right on that one.
(for those of you who have seen mission impossible 3) =P

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

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1290 days 13 hours ago...

"If this was the truth then how the fuck did septemper 11th happen if we have information so readily available on the phones and internet."-murderous18

The information was availible and the CIA, NSA and the FBI was on the terrorists trail, but the intelligence community is not one cohesive lump. There is competition between the agencies and many of Clintons policies that were still in place before 9/11, prevented information sharing that might have lead to the capture of the terrorists.

We knew that they were planning on flying airplanes into buildings, this is true, but we did not have specific details about how they were going to do it. The FAA was informed about the potential of a hijacking, but failed to take adequet steps to prevent it. To some extent this is understandible. Ever walked through a metal detector with a pocketful of change? I do it all the time, and the damn thing still does not go off, because they cannot detect small amounts of metal, like a box cutter, and they still can't. All the security measures that you have to go through now are all for show, so you feel safe on the airplane, but the truth is if someone wanted to bring a boxcutter on an airplane, the new security measures would not stop them.

The only things that have prevented another 9/11 is that the terrorists know that passengers are no longer going to be passive during a hijacking. Air marshalls, reinforced doors and armed pilots might further discourage terrorists, and of course intelligence gathering.

Remember the feds have busted up 2 terrorist cells, that I know of. One in Buffalo, New York and the other in Lodi, California, and numerous financing operations. The Patriot Act is working, and I know of no one who's civil liberties have been infringed. When the fed starts banging down the doors of people I know, then I will get worried, but right now I'm more interested in stopping the harrassment at airports.

murderous18 : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

murderous18

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1290 days 2 hours ago...

but right now I'm more interested in stopping the harrassment at airports.

of course its fucking annoying having to take my shoes off to have them scaned through because the metal detectors can find metal in them. and the fact that we have fucking idiots running the security is a bad move on the FAA, those monkeys make maby 80 dollars a day, if someone came to a group and offered 5gs each, they would take that shit and let them through.

the thing that pisses me off is that as you and i know our country knew that they were planning a hijacking and that should have been enough information to put air mashalls on every plane around every major city, and increased the security.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1289 days 15 hours ago...

I don't know how many flights take off every day, but I am sure that the logistics of it are astronomical. I think that if they had at least done a little racial profiling, and given middle eastern men between 18 and 40 a little extra attention for the months leading up to 9/11 it might have prevented the attacks, but of course we can't do that.

SEAL_T5 : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

SEAL_T5

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1289 days 7 hours ago...

murderous18~"Seal_T5 you say that the NSA has been able to listen to phone calls? they must have flagged the calls that the terrorist made to each other especially if our gov knew the whole time?"

Basically it’s like hahajohnnyb already explained. Imagine the police in your neighborhood. State police, local, highway patrol…they never tend to get along well, it used to be the same way for some of the government agencies. You are right…different Intelligence agencies had many pieces to the puzzle before 9/11 but they didn’t communicate. The CIA, FBI, NSA…all have EXTREME budgets…who ever catches the biggest fish usually gets the most back for funding….so historically there was never much cooperation, because one agency didn’t want to help another agency catch someone if they weren’t going to get the credit for it. A LOT of that has changed since 9/11. You make some good points…..but only in a perfect world.

murderous18 : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

murderous18

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1289 days 3 hours ago...

The CIA, FBI, NSA…all have EXTREME budgets…who ever catches the biggest fish usually gets the most back for funding….so historically there was never much cooperation, because one agency didn’t want to help another agency catch someone if they weren’t going to get the credit for it. A LOT of that has changed since 9/11

how fucked =\

Sejs : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

Sejs

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1289 days 2 hours ago...

"So far we’ve been very successful in preventing another attack on our soil.”

Good to see the old Rhino Protector is still working, too.

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