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Is the Universe Fine Tuned for Life?

It's time to put the "Fine Tuning" argument to rest. However, I'm sure it won't be too long before a new apology comes along that also roots itself in a few warm and squishy scientific notions that are carefully cherry picked for their theistic god to leech off of.

  • Wrykilx
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  • Date 11/11/2009 2:33:57 PM
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Wrykilx : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

Wrykilx

2 votes NegativePositive

131 days ago...

Extra kudos to Family Guy for their reenactment of a "A Christian`s Concept of the Big Bang!" LOL!! Too funny!

Cullum : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Cullum

2 votes NegativePositive

130 days 18 hours ago...

Anything humans have designed rarely work the first time, especially anything complex. The same with nature, only it doesn`t have a consciousness(except for us) to help it decide what worked and what didn`t. Only the result of a `trial` can determine whether the process will go on for more trials, kinda like NAND logic gates.

As for fined tuning of the universe, why not? The chances of a sperm entering an egg and creating "specifically you" is probably 1 in a trillion trillion etc.. but nonetheless, YOU exsist.

Every living organism on earth is a product of chance, AND trial and error, why can`t a(or many) universe, out of a trillion trillion etc.. universes, have fined tuned physical properties to allow for life like ours to thrive?? It IS chance... not GOD, just my two cents.

Red Heaven : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Red Heaven

0 votes NegativePositive

130 days 17 hours ago...

^
Right.

What`s "fine tuned" for us isn`t fine tuned for something else. We`re a culmination of consequences and certain things had to happen before the possibilities whittled down to us showing up.

Fine tuned assumes that everything was set and available perfectly all at once. The fact of the matter is that our existence was imperiled at every turn. Our own sun had to collapse THREE TIMES before we got sufficient amount of heavy materials to exist.

But what are the chances that we could show up as we are? 100%. How do we know that? Because we`re fucking discussing it right now. We`re an inevitable conclusion when all the right variables come together.

TumbleCow : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

TumbleCow

9 votes NegativePositive

130 days 15 hours ago...

Did he really have to say every 9 in 99.99999999999999999999999999999999927% ?

MARINE255 : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

MARINE255

16 votes NegativePositive

130 days 11 hours ago...

^ Nein

Rekon : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

Rekon

0 votes NegativePositive

130 days 10 hours ago...

This is like trying to argue that if you rolled a dice, it wouldn`t land on any side because its improbable.
If you take a 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-sided dice and roll it, that it will eventually settle on one side is inevitable, NOT improbable.
I see the universe, among other things, as a GIANT randomizer, so this arguement, for me, is a little simple-minded.

blue_devil : LVL 43: VP 5: said:

blue_devil

5 votes NegativePositive

130 days 10 hours ago...

the universe is not fine tuned for life ,life is fine tuned for the universe by the process of evolution :)

Rekon : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

Rekon

1 votes NegativePositive

130 days 9 hours ago...

^^^ Ah yes, thats elegant and also highlights, once again, humans tendancy to think everything is built around us.

EckJerome : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

EckJerome

-1 votes NegativePositive

130 days 6 hours ago...

I wouldn`t say the universe is finely tuned for life...just that it`s so fucking big (and old) that the odds of naturally-occuring life are astronomically high.

pbtthegreat : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

pbtthegreat

0 votes NegativePositive

130 days 4 hours ago...

Think

-yt- : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

-yt-

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130 days ago...

there was only one argument in this and frankly it was not that good who cares if 99999999999.27 is hostile on either side of the argument if you pull that out your going to look stupid as much as i like this kind of shit there was no point in it just kept on bashing the same drum. and boring me with the exact same thing and what the fuck did we really need that read out to us?

Randomosity : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

Randomosity

7 votes NegativePositive

129 days 21 hours ago...

I`m gonna go back and watch Jessica Alba get spanked again.

TitaniumZero : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

TitaniumZero

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129 days 21 hours ago...

What of the Creationist claim that life is fine-tuned for our universe? Hasn`t this argument only given more proof for the unlikelihood of randomness given the chances of life in an incredibly hostile universe? Oh well, I guess it`s not a requirement to look at the other side if you`re arguing ignorance with ignorance.

sk8ordie778 : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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129 days 19 hours ago...

No christian argues that the "Universe" is fine-tuned for life, just that the earth was created for humans. This guy`s logic doesn`t work based upon that assumption. Bad athiest BAD.

bee_keeper_no1 : LVL 15: VP 2.4: said:

bee_keeper_no1

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129 days 19 hours ago...

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