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A humorous video showing how 99% of Christians are hypocrites. Enjoy!

posted by Wrykilx
10/19/2009 5:53:01 AM

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Bom Hagan : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

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33 days 12 hours ago...

perfectly done

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Shadowflare : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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33 days 12 hours ago...

The thing is that while current day Christians certainly are a bunch of hypocrites who only follow the teachings that are convenient for them, those who follow every last letter of Biblical teaching tend to be a special kind of crazy. I would rather interact with a moderate than a fundie any day of the week.

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imjac : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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33 days 11 hours ago...

^I bet you don`t know anyone who follows Jesus` teachings to the letter, they`d be walking around in rags and probably starving waiting for God to provide.

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playr2a : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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33 days 10 hours ago...

Did god give the christian dude a time machine? Or possibly, christians are okay with science in the future?

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niratcire : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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33 days 9 hours ago...

i`m glad i fall in the 1% of christians then. and most christians are okay with science, the problem is the other side usually forgets to bring science to the discussion.

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cavey : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

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33 days 8 hours ago...

^So you follow all of Jesus`s teachings then? I doubt that very much....

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TonyBlue05 : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

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33 days 8 hours ago...

I`m not going to even attempt to go on one of my typical tirades about this sort of thing. I will simply say that this video, like every other one I`ve seen on this site, is born out of shear ignorance.

I miss the days when Spiked was about funny, wacky wastes-of-time instead of a massive anti-religion database.

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Wrykilx : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

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33 days 7 hours ago...

^ Translation - "I have no way to counter the points made so I`ll just dismiss it as ignorant."

Truth hurts, eh?

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pyranos : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

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33 days 7 hours ago...

In case anyone is wondering about the Deuteronomy passage. If you read what comes after that part, it goes on to mention a different raping. The raping that occurs in the first part, her being stoned for not crying out, is in a crowded place. Suggesting that she was a whore and she didn`t cry for help. The other raping occurs where no one is able to help her.

Getting into discussions on Spiked is useless, the majority of people here just down vote anyone with religion. Even if they mean no harm, basing their views on the actions of other Christians they encounter.

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Wrykilx : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

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33 days 6 hours ago...

"If you read what comes after that part, it goes on to mention a different raping."

Firstly, they`re not different rapes but the punishments for rape that are commanded by Yahweh based upon whether or not the victim cries hard enough for help. What you`ve typed appears to be a very vague red herring though I`m not sure if it was intentional.

Secondly, What`s your point?

The passages in Deuteronomy 22, that are being referenced in the video, are citations of what Yahweh commands the punishment is for a woman who should not cry loud enough while being raped in a city.

22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour`s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

It clearly states what the punishment is and what it`s for.

In Deuteronomy 22:25-27, which is what you`re referring to, Yahweh commands what the punishment is for a woman who cries while being raped in a field and goes unheard.

22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.

22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

22:27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

It also clearly states what the punishment is and what it`s for.

So, I repeat. What`s your point?

"Getting into discussions on Spiked is useless, the majority of people here just down vote anyone with religion. Even if they mean no harm, basing their views on the actions of other Christians they encounter. "

The majority of religious arguments are voted down because they`re a combination of weak in thought, circular in reasoning, filled with logical fallacies, and can be disproved within a 95% certainty but yet they are still expected to be taken seriously. The harm is in faith and accepting claims without evidence and not with pointing out the ridiculous.

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exploder : LVL 50: VP 5: said:

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33 days 6 hours ago...

I`m an atheist and anti-theist. I know and love quite a few Christians. They are NOT fundamentalists (rigid and judgmental), they are loving, generous, compassionate people. We see perfectly eye to eye on most things. EVERYONE has their flaws, and if I think theirs is having a sentimental attachment to some old religious nonsense, well, there are many far worse crimes.

I would FAR RATHER that they loosely interpret the Bible and be most deeply committed to love and compassion, than waste their time worrying over what are obviously the flawed works of man. Their explanation is exactly that: the Bible is NOT the work of God, you have to find the bits of genuine wisdom that are in it, and only your good heart can really tell you. Fair enough if you ask me. They also note the fact that most of the basic ethical ideas, things that are truly universal wisdom, are shared by many other philosophies / religions. They are used to the Christian version, so that`s what they use. Again, fair enough.

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exploder : LVL 50: VP 5: said:

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33 days 6 hours ago...

I think this vid perfectly explains something. The nonsense factor. My take on it:

- Everyone has an instinctive need to understand "WHY?". In the bigger sense, why life, why the world, why morals, etc.. It`s in our monkey wiring. WE NEED TO KNOW.

- Our brains can fit almost any set of answers into those questions. If you get used to accepting things "on faith", ie. not rigidly quality checking those answers using logic, or if you never learned logic in the first place, then even pretty nonsensical things will easily fill the void of "WHY?".

- The habits and methods of good sound logic take learning and training; effort from others to help teach, and effort by us to learn and practice. As with any other skill, what you exercise in your mind BUILDS your mind like a strong muscle. Scientifically proven fact.

- Religion does two things: 1. It discourages too many questions and logic, in favor of faith and acceptance. "God works in mysterious ways." 2. It muddles logic in the details by incorporating many subjective and intangible ideas, that can be smudged together without need for rigid logical consistency.

- As a result, I think most religious people don`t build very strong logic systems, and what they do build is at least slightly corrupted in important ways.

- Most people who study science and logic end up relegating their religious thoughts to everything other-than / outside-of their science, because the logic required is incompatible with the religious explanations of those same topics.

- Religious people can find happiness by plugging up those channels in their minds, those "WHY?" circuits, with religious goop that stops and prevents further questions or "doubt" as they call it. This makes some of them happier, because they don`t experience the continued stress of not knowing "WHY?".

- People who truly seek logic and science always end up facing the FACT that WE CAN NEVER TRULY KNOW ANYTHING. Every honest answer leads to two more questions. There is a deep existential stress in that. It takes a deep commitment to learning to find security in the face of the vast stormy winds of universal uncertainty.

- The solution for both the logic seekers and the religious is love and compassion. Even if it is nothing but a happy emotion. It is the ointment that soothes the burn of never knowing, a warm blanket to cut the freezing chill of boundless uncertainty. And it is the deep imperative that demands and rewards questions in the face of intolerance and judgmentalism, that can overcome the real harms of fundamentalism.

- Love and compassion are also the best unifying force, the best shared rallying call, the best meeting place for people, regardless of our personal favorite explanations of things. They are primal emotions and human reasons for our best purposes, that we can all share together.

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TonyBlue05 : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

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33 days 5 hours ago...

^ Translation - "I have no way to counter the points made so I`ll just dismiss it as ignorant."

Truth hurts, eh?

I have plenty of ways to counter these points (I did teach Catholicism for 3 years), but my experience on this website has been filled with nothing but hate-filled responses and the typical use of sarcasm to argue with everything I put forth as an argument. Besides, this is the internet, and I`m not going to get worked up over something as insignificant a comment board.

I will thank exploder for at least understanding that most Christians (or members of any faith) are in fact peaceful, understanding people.

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Presto : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

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33 days 5 hours ago...

Left to their own devices good people will do good things and bad people will do evil things.

It takes religion to justify an evil act for a good person.

Religion is the root of all evil.

Put down your fairy tales. Quit leaning on your crutch.

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Wrykilx : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

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33 days 5 hours ago...

"I have plenty of ways to counter these points (I did teach Catholicism for 3 years), but my experience on this website has been filled with nothing but hate-filled responses and the typical use of sarcasm to argue with everything I put forth as an argument. Besides, this is the internet, and I`m not going to get worked up over something as insignificant a comment board."

Tony, read. - "The majority of religious arguments are voted down because they`re a combination of weak in thought, circular in reasoning, filled with logical fallacies, and can be disproved within a 95% certainty but yet they are still expected to be taken seriously. The harm is in faith and accepting claims without evidence and not with pointing out the ridiculous."

How did you read over this paragraph and honestly think that it did not apply to the reason why your arguments are met with sarcasm and ridicule? If you try and make a counter point that is filled with logical fallacies, is extraordinary in measure, circular in reasoning and/or not based on evidence and then expect it to be taken seriously as a credible rebuttal, you should be met with ridicule and sarcasm because there is nothing of value to address. Feel free to prove me wrong but I`ll stand by my translation of your first comment.

Secondly, no one is saying that Christians cannot be peaceful. Most of them are. That was never part of the debate or the point of the video. The debate is simply that roughly 99% of Christians are hypocrites for not following what Jesus said or conveniently modifying it to fit their reality. You can be peaceful and a hypocrite simultaneously. However, the irony is that it can be the hypocrisy that serves as a source for the peace.

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