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therogueranger : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

therogueranger

9 votes NegativePositive

328 days 5 hours ago...

5/5 for responsible parenting!

boldfart : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

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328 days 5 hours ago...

I would be happy for my daughter to be a good Christian. She is at the moment. Fortunately she has a brain that she can use and thinks creationism is crap. I, however think that the whole idea of Christianity is risible but I still take my daughter to church every Sunday. Does this make me a hypocrite?

Csmack : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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328 days 3 hours ago...

Irrefutable takeaway points from this video:
- Every single Christian family is like this (no exceptions)
- ALL Christians hate science
- This documentary is not propaganda and has no agenda
- Fundamentalism is the norm among Christians
- Christians can`t use their brains

Seriously, this "documentary" is 100% shit. I heard the director get torn a new one on a talk radio show. She couldn`t even get through a sentence without lying, didn`t even have the courage to defend what she knew was a distortion

sato : LVL 25: VP 3.4: said:

sato

20 votes NegativePositive

328 days ago...

stupidity breeding stupidity... those kids will never be able to reach a level above their parents, and fall behind the rest of the world which progresses.

you should have to have a license and at least pass a basic knowledge test to be allowed to home-school.

bold: is a person who doesn`t believe the bible is the world of god non-christian by definition?

Csmack : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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327 days 21 hours ago...

@ jmillion,

Ok, maybe i exaggerated. I`ll give them the benefit of the doubt that they accurately portrayed this individual family. So the documentary is only 99% bullshit. Glad we addressed that technicality. Better?

Red Heaven : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

Red Heaven

30 votes NegativePositive

327 days 20 hours ago...

Csmack does have a point, though. There is a high number of evangelical Christian populations in home schooled kids, but how many kids in general are home schooled?

According to the National Center for Education Statistics there were 1,100,000 kids being home-schooled in 2003... so 825,000.

The problem I have, Csmack, is that NO child should be mentally handicapped in this matter. Not only is the child not getting hold of key social behaviors (interacting with other human beings outside of his circle of experience), but his methods of critical thinking aren`t even developed.

This religious propaganda is harmful. -Thousands- of children are being stifled intellectually. How can science be demonized to this degree? All the things he uses every fucking day are there because of science. He`s clinging to hollow truths that lack substance. There`s no room for growth or expansion, it`s all dead.

"No other explanation".

Blows my mind.

Max_Power : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

Max_Power

13 votes NegativePositive

327 days 19 hours ago...

Csmack does NOT have a good point. He`s just making some unsubstantiated claim about a movie he doesn`t seem to like. The documentary didn`t make anyone say anything, they just filmed people saying ridiculous and inane bullshit that ranges from offensive to batshit-insane. How is that a distortion? If the audience is tacitly led to believe something false, then the documentary fails to fairly display both sides, but that doesn`t make the content any less true or invalidate what was recorded.

If Csmack is simply doing a really poor job at saying that not all Christians are like this, and that perhaps he is a christian who finds the shown behavior just as offensive as an atheist might, I`ll give him that point. But all he`s done so far is reaffirm the biased view that Christians(or at the very least Christian sympathizers: Csmack) aren`t very good at well-reasoned discourse and might be more interested in an ad hominem attack than being reasonable/logical. The same sort of behavior most prominent in the relevant video clip.

Red Heaven : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

Red Heaven

10 votes NegativePositive

327 days 13 hours ago...

^
The only point I conceded to him was skewed use of statistics.

Apparently you didn`t read past that, did you now?

Dusma : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

Dusma

6 votes NegativePositive

327 days 9 hours ago...

isnt this some sort of child abuse?

Max_Power : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

Max_Power

3 votes NegativePositive

327 days 8 hours ago...

I`m rejecting your concession . . . or didn`t you get that?

Red Heaven : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

Red Heaven

3 votes NegativePositive

327 days 6 hours ago...

You were not rejecting the concession. It was an empty number.

75% of all home-schooled kids are Evangelical Christians. My job as a skeptic is to say: So?

It goes both ways. While I`m a skeptic and don`t support what this mother is doing (it`s flat out abusive), I also have to be skeptical of the movie. That`s what`s at stake here. Everything is up for questioning.

The problem I have with that statistic is that, one, it doesn`t have a source. Maybe it`s in the credits, who knows. Secondly, 75% of what? American schools? Turkish? International? State? I guess I`m supposed to assume American. Assuming American, how many kids are home-schooled at all?

What does 75% mean? Are they home-schooled for religious reasons? What sort of evangelicals? Born again? Jehovah`s Witnesses? How many are following a religious curriculum?

What I`m saying is that this isn`t -wrong-, but as you can see from Csmack`s reaction, is that it`s not a convincing statistic. If anything it hasn`t changed minds and instead has called out objections.

The point here is that they could have, and should have, gone further.

ChrissyChiChi : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

ChrissyChiChi

18 votes NegativePositive

327 days 5 hours ago...

Csmack yet another silly comment which makes no sense. The video NEVER says Every single Christian family is like this, it NEVER says ALL Christians hate science (although judging by the fact that only 7% of the national accademy of sciences believe in a god, most scientists are not fond of Christians :P) it NEVER says Christians can`t use their brains
and it NEVER says fundamentalism is the norm. It is just you imagining these things as you are upset at the light this video shows your imaginary friend.

You then say 99% of this video is bullshit, why? Unless all of the people in it were actors it would be quite difficult for that to be true. All the video shows is an evangelical parent homeschooling her child total bullshit. Yet this makes you furious, it must be all lies! You are so blinded by your faith that it is pittyfull.

So you think that just because this shows a side of Christianity you do not like it should not be shown? The plight of these children should be ignored because you dont like it? Thats pretty fucked up. You do know that 51% of Americans do not believe in evolution right? That is a pretty sizeable number, children having christian bullshit rammed into their brains is not just a one off thing.

Just like when the church tried to cover up the stories of child abuse in 2001 when the pope issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world recommending that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

Why should stories be ignored just because they show a religion in a bad light? They are countless documentaries from Christians trying to show it in a good light so why is the other side never alowed to be told? People like you make me fucking sick.

Csmack : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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327 days 5 hours ago...

@ Red Heaven,
Yes I would agree with how stats can be skewed but if you think I`m defending what that mother is teaching her children then you`re mistaken. You won`t find me defending her fundamentalism.

However I do disagree with your statement: "the child not getting hold of key social behaviors (interacting with other human beings outside of his circle of experience)"
- You are not at liberty to say how much social interaction that child has with others. Home schooled kids still have plenty of opportunities to interact with other kids. After all, I doubt all the friends you have you met at school. There`s nothing wrong with home schooling children in general.

"This religious propaganda is harmful."
- I agree, this documentary grossly distorts the lifestyles of Christians.

@ Max_Power
"they just filmed people saying ridiculous and inane bullshit ...How is that a distortion?"
- You answered your own question. It`s a distortion because they ONLY showed people speaking BS. Did you stop and think why they didn`t show non-fundamentalist Christians being articulate and sensible? Because it`s not inline with their agenda. That`s how it`s a distortion. They want viewers to associate all Christians with these.

Csmack : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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327 days 4 hours ago...

ChrissyChiChi
"The video NEVER says Every single Christian family is like this, it NEVER says ALL Christians hate science "
- obviously you missed the sarcasm of my first post. Do you honestly think the makers of this documentary would object to you believing that all Christians are like this? Do you honestly think they`re being objective?

" it NEVER says fundamentalism is the norm. "
- ok think really hard on this one. Why do you think they showed a bunch of fundamentalists? Could it be because they want the viewer to stereotype all Christians as being like this? Sure, they never explicitly state "all christians are like this", I`m aware of that. But what implication do you think they`re making by being ever so selective in who they interview?

"You then say 99% of this video is bullshit..Yet this makes you furious, it must be all lies! You are so blinded by your faith that it is pittyfull. "
-alright Dr. Phil, I guess you know my thoughts better than me. I never accused the video of being fake. Did I take the time to meticulously calculate that 99 percentage? No, I was making the point that the message of this video is dishonest. They are attempting to stereotype all Christians and are attempting to show these fringe people as dangerous to society. So it would seem you`re so blinded by your preconceived notions, you`ve already made up your mind before you`ve heard the other side.

"So you think that just because this shows a side of Christianity you do not like it should not be shown?"
- I never said no one has a right to interview them, but if they`re being dishonest in trying to claim that they`re being objective and deny it`s propaganda, then I`ll certainly call them out on it. Sorry, unlike you, I don`t embrace this garbage with open arms. Have you seen the whole documentary or is this clip all you`ve seen of it?

Max_Power : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

Max_Power

0 votes NegativePositive

326 days 20 hours ago...

Red Haven, your questions about what a statistic mean are irrelevant to the validity of a statistic. If we accept that it`s an accurate and true statistic, that "75% of children home schooled in USA are evangelical families," then that stat is true regardless of how more information might change your perspective on what this entails. Csmack`s point is only to say that it shows one side, so why bother watching it since it`s not presenting some unbiased review. Well, the fact is that these people exist, they exist as a result of their religion. What further point needs to be made? Why are the director`s responsible for making their movie into something everyone can agree with?

I`m all for discussion, Red Haven, but csmack doesn`t have a leg to stand on, don`t pretend he does. If you wanna talk about measurement theory or sociology or the relationship between religiosity and intelligence, go ahead, but why bother referencing some random dude talking-shit with an axe to grind to get the discussion started?

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